Last December I did a 3 part series on PUFA (polyunsaturated fats).
- The Common Enemy in Nutrition
- The Problem with PUFA
- Quantifying PUFA, Expert Opinion, and My Conclusion
My very brief summary of those posts was that ALL nutritional camps seem to agree that excess PUFA is bad for health. Finding across-the-board consensus in nutrition is rare. Excess PUFA can cause a host of health problems, which are listed in the second post. The most interesting one to me is reduced metabolism. The third post is where I make the case that one doesn’t just need to lower PUFA going forward, but because our fat tissues are likely to store high levels of PUFA from modern living and they can reside there for years, we need to drastically lower our PUFA levels. At least initially.
My personal strategy to remove excess PUFA from my body was to:
- Minimize or eliminate vegetable oil use. Easy at home. Tougher when eating out. Favor high-temperature saturated fats, such as coconut oil.
- Eat more seafood, dairy, and red meat. Reduce pork and chicken.
- Stop eating nuts.
I may have been wrong about nuts. Yes, nuts have high levels of PUFA, but they also are a rich source of Vitamin E. And it turns out Vitamin E plays a protective role against PUFA. From the article Vitamin E: Estrogen antagonist, energy promoter, and anti-inflammatory by Ray Peat.
One possibly crucial protective effect of vitamin E against the polyunsaturated fatty acids that hasn’t been explored is the direct destruction of linolenic and linoleic acid. It is known that bacterial vitamin E is involved in the saturation of unsaturated fatty acids, and it is also known that intestinal bacteria turn linoleic and linolenic acids into the fully saturated stearic acid.
The article also explains how our Vitamin E needs rise and fall based on our intake of PUFA. More PUFA, more Vitamin E. Less PUFA, less Vitamin E. If this is accurate then simply adding up the amount of linolenic acid in our food without accounting for Vitamin E will overstate the PUFA risks in nuts. By how much? I have no clue.
Another factor is heat and light destroys Vitamin E, putting processed seed oils at a further disadvantage to nuts. One exception might be cold-pressed high oleic sunflower oil.
Natural PUFA vs Processed PUFA
Almonds are rich in both Vitamin E and PUFA. One ounce of almonds has 3377 mg of linoleic acid and 7.3 mg of Vitamin E. I suspect this means almonds aren’t good, but less bad. There are some good comments on the 2011 post Ray Peat – Epilepsy by Matt Stone regarding PUFA and Vitamin E.
Eating nuts because of the vitamin E is like drinking snake poison together with the antidote.
(making the point there are better ways to get Vitamin E)
It seems to me, that the existence of the naturally occurring Vitamin E, along with the naturally occurring PUFA, in a natural whole food, is *a* key. That perhaps the two occurring naturally together (among other nutrients, etc.) in a natural whole food means something. That perhaps PUFA, in the context of whole foods, acts very differently in the human body, than unnatural sources of PUFA does.
Matt Stone stepped in and summarized:
I think Ray Peat would say…
Vegetable oils with no vitamin E or supplementation…. WORST
Vegetable oils with vitamin E and aspirin supplementation…. BAD
Whole food PUFA consumption… BETTER
Low total PUFA consumption… BEST
What Matt didn’t include in his comment, is the combination of whole food PUFA consumption plus a Vitamin E supplement. My guess is this might fall somewhere between BETTER and BEST. But that is just a guess based on the fact nuts still have a high amount of PUFA.
Earlier this year, there were reports of higher risks of prostate cancer who took high doses of Vitamin E daily (400 mg). The rates of cancer were higher when the men had very low or very high levels of selenium. That doesn’t concern me, as the goal for most days would be to consume minimal PUFA and just take Vitamin E as insurance for the days you can’t avoid PUFA.
And there is also the possibility – as Jannis alluded to – that it is more than just Vitamin E that exists in natural sources of PUFA that provides protective benefits.
Bring on the Almonds?
I love almonds, but I haven’t bought any in over a year. Raw or soaked almonds suppress my appetite more than ANY other food. Also, my approach to nutrition is to be expansive. The neurotic restrictive diets aren’t for me. If I can add back almonds, take a Vitamin E supplement, maintain a high metabolism and lose a few pounds, then that is something I want to do. And if I don’t even need the Vitamin E supplement, even better.
Sep 7, 2014 — 5:53 am
Personally, I think the problem is stated in too complex terms. Have the almonds if you want them. I do. Eating almonds, especially as we do (not processed except by ourselves) has to be one of the less harmful things out there, if it is harmful at all.
Sep 23, 2014 — 10:36 am
The main reason I’m keeping nut consumption to a minimum is that I find the more nuts I eat, the fewer vegetables I eat. On balance I think fresh (or high quality frozen), colorful vegetables are healthier for me than nuts.
Dec 6, 2014 — 9:55 pm
I like your posts and your opinions. I just cannot understand why you consider taking dietary advice from Matt Stone. It might just be me, but he has no credentials, no education, and no command of decent language.
Aug 12, 2015 — 11:11 am
Hey I like Matt Stone. He is a good example of someone who made it without spending $25,000 on a piece of paper to prove he did his readings. I think balancing health is about combining our educated guesses with experimentation. This means reading the work of others, talking to people who have tried it first hand and trying it yourself. I tried eating a “heathy” diet with lots of grains, nuts and seeds. I find that the less of these I have, the clearer my head is and less “hungover” I feel. I can attribute that to PUFAs, but none of us can be entirely sure what is best. certainly not obsessing over a few drops of it entering our bodies. We live in a world of pollution and radiation – lets just eat our nuts but not go overboard or cry in shame that you put the “wrong” thing in your body.
Oct 9, 2015 — 7:39 pm
That report about prostate cancer with vitamin E was bunk. It only included the use of the synthetic form of vitamin E. That alone is not good. The other big No No was that vitamin E should be taken with mix of tocopherols particularly gamma. There were other studies that suggested that with the mixed tocopherols it would eliminate the risk the first study.